July 16, 2007

A Question

You've got a car, say a not so new '67 model. It's been giving you some problems, but nothing that has you too concerned.

It's not been running smoothly, but there's still plenty of power. However, the engine seems to be working a little too hard to gain that power.

To get it running at top performance, you're going to need to do quite a bit of tuning. That's going to run you some serious ching. Meanwhile, you know that if you take care of one little thing, it's going to be relatively cheap, and the performance of your auto will greatly increase. Sure, throw it on a dyno, and there's a lot of room for improvement, but overall, this little thing is going to play the largest part in fine tuning your engine.

Knowing that funds are limited, do you settle on the small fix, and wait on the other elements of the overhaul?

Or would you plunge yourself into debt to get it all done at once? Even knowing that if you would wait for another three months, you'd probably have a partner to help with expenses?

Posted by That 1 Guy at July 16, 2007 08:03 AM | TrackBack

Well, it's a postive thing that the option to have it declared "totaled" was not even mentioned.........

Posted by: tammi at July 16, 2007 08:19 AM

Go with the small thing. The going in debt is never really a good idea.

Posted by: Ogre at July 16, 2007 09:28 AM

I'm not a mechanic or car savvy, so my advise isn't valid in this case. But if the care can wait to have the larger repairs done and NOT do more damage than good, wait.

Posted by: Contagion at July 16, 2007 09:41 AM

By partner you mean after you get to near San Fransico?

I thought gay men weren't into fixing up cars?

Posted by: Quality Weenie at July 16, 2007 09:57 AM

Sorry, lost my train of thought after Q-Dub's comment! *Ha!!*

Oh, yes, do the small stuff now, so she still runs.

Posted by: oddybobo at July 16, 2007 10:24 AM


i share in the group terror as we all let your new found gay pride settle in. good luck.

as far as the overhaul, treat your grease monkey right. whether a little or big fix, it's all about technique and quality workmanship. least, that's what they tell me.

now i get it.

Posted by: shoe at July 16, 2007 11:27 AM

I've been using this stuff for years and it works really well. I've brough back cars that were desinted for the junk yard.


Posted by: Hammee at July 16, 2007 11:44 AM

Wow..QW really just derailed that train of thought!

But I gotta go with her on this one. I thought you guys were more into home improvements than mechanical. Of course, I could be off.

We look forward to seeing you at next years PrideFest down here in the sunny city! Will it be a rainbow wig or speedo for you?! I'll get the camera batteries charged up for that photo op!

*Holy crap! Serpentine, serpentine!*

Posted by: Lee Ann at July 16, 2007 01:16 PM

well, I suppose this depends...

seems as if that ole 67 has been dependable, even with the neglect.

I would say, get a quick fix, and AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, get full diagnostics done.

Oh and let me know what the mechanic says.

Posted by: armywifetoddlermom at July 16, 2007 03:21 PM

You mean Liberace isn't gonna help you? I mean, he's got those cool socks and everything...

Oh, okay... I'd go with the small fix for now and don't go way into debt unless you MUST. Especially since you're talking a 3 month window. As long as the car isn't dangerous to drive that's not too long in the grand scheme of things (especially not for a '67 car) *grin*

Posted by: Teresa at July 16, 2007 04:15 PM


Posted by: shoe at July 16, 2007 04:22 PM

A tune-up (labor by owner)on a 67 shouldn't be much more than plugs/points/condenser, maybe rotor/cap, maybe plug wires, maybe $75 tops. Unless the carb needs an overhaul, rebuild kits go from $30 to maybe $70 for a comprehensive kit. Maybe you're referring to more than just a tune-up?

Posted by: at July 16, 2007 05:02 PM

Maybe he means he's getting married in three months and she's gonna pay for the vehicle fix... maybe?

Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2007 06:08 PM

I AM a mechanic- though I don't play one on TV- and you need to be more specific. Email me if you'd like, mhardig at aol dot com.

Posted by: og at July 16, 2007 07:04 PM

Depends. If the quick fix will buy time, not do more damage, and help set the stage for the complete overhaul -- that's good. Do it, get the full diagnostics, and do the full package. If the quick fix will get you by but causes more damage or even the potential for same, don't do it. Just my two cents...

Posted by: Laughing Wolf at July 17, 2007 04:38 AM

Debt is bad.

Cars are good.

Keep it ticking over - remember you own the car, it don't own you.

Unless it's a classic car that is - then spend spend spend!!!!

Posted by: Alex at July 17, 2007 06:18 AM

One more thought, on the potential partnership. Some people, if they find you've either done the cheap get-by or that you knew of problems in advance, won't partner. Or, will modify the partnership to exclude the repair costs. Think of it as being like a medical "pre-existing condition" clause -- if it pre-exists, they won't pay/won't pay for a certain number of years. Double-check this before making a decision.

Posted by: Laughing Wolf at July 17, 2007 10:32 AM

Ah, yes, LW stole my comment - make sure that the new partner won't mind the advance fix, but for Goodness sake! Get the quick fix . . . And call me and let me know what the not so quick fix is - you know, sometimes I speak mechanic.

Posted by: oddybobo at July 17, 2007 11:17 AM

Um...weren't you born in '67?

Posted by: Raging Mom at July 17, 2007 11:54 AM

Woah ... if the quick fix is part of the whole overhaul anyways - then start there. And then find out what the whole diagnostic/process needs to be. If the quick fix means you can't follow a longer/more expensive/long-term-better process - then we need more info!

Posted by: Barb at July 17, 2007 03:25 PM

I'm with LW and AWTM. I think my concern is if you can stave off the overhaul with the quick fix. If you can stave it off for 3 months and not do damage and not have any issues with potentially breaking down in that 3 months, then I'd go for the quick fix and then the overhaul when you have a partner to share the expenses. However... what LW says holds true. Partnership may be null and void if the '67 has serious issues that require overhaul. That is key as well.

Posted by: Bou at July 17, 2007 06:47 PM

..... Jesus, folks, can you not see a fucking metaphor?... good God.......

.... kick all of the Mustangs, Corvettes, etc, to the curb... what we have here is a pure meltdown with loads and loads of denial thrown in.....

.... Joe, go to the goddamn doctor.... and DO what he fucking SAYS.....

Posted by: Eric at July 17, 2007 08:43 PM

I'm agreeing with Eric, perhaps less forcefully, but agreeing nonetheless.

Might want to confer with the "mechanic" along with the new partner concerning the tune up. Sometimes less is more, but what has to be done, has to be done. It's always a shame to dump a classic just because of a little needed tuning.

Seriously T1G, time to talk to the future Mrs and the doc both.

Posted by: Nancy at July 18, 2007 06:38 AM

Ah, so the gerbil got stuck huh?

Posted by: Quality Weenie at July 18, 2007 07:42 AM

I have found over the years that people do what they want to do - not what's best for them. Be it medical, car, job, whatever - if they really don't want to do something, they'll do whatever it takes to avoid it... even if it's extremely dangerous.

All the while, they will have reasons why they want to do things a certain way. So, I don't beat my head against a wall. People over the age of 21 can kill themselves in their own way - they know what they are doing and will do it regardless of what I have to say.

Thus, if I'm presented with a "lesser" alternative that the person actually will do - I'll simply agree with them that the "lesser" alternative is certainly okay (better than nothing). Most people get away with this for many years before it comes back to bite them. Others end up not making it and maybe taking out others along the way... not with any intention mind you, the others just happened to be the unlucky recipient of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

So - If the car can get a quick fix - I'm all for that. At least it's something. Waiting may end up being okay or it may end up being disastrous - I have no way of knowing and neither does anyone else. However, nothing I say will change anyone's mind about what action they take which means I look for what clues they give on what they actually will do and encourage that. :-)

Posted by: Teresa at July 18, 2007 12:57 PM

Uh... What Eric said. Really. What would you want your Mom or your sister to do given the same parameters?? Think about it...

Posted by: Richmond at July 18, 2007 02:07 PM

Does partner = medical insurance at your new job?

If so, sit down and have a talk with your doctor, tell him your situation (that you will have insurance in X days/months) and can you wait, can it not wait, what can you do in the mean time, etc.

Posted by: Quality Weenie at July 18, 2007 03:23 PM

At first glance I thought you really were talking about a car. I was thinking, "Funny, he never mentioned having another car. I wonder where he stores it. Hmmm." I'm sometimes a bit too literal.

Be that as it may. You really need to take care of this car. It's the only one you've got. As they say, everything after 40 is maintenance. So true, with, er, cars.

Maybe you need an epiphany like I had (I see a train comin' down the tracks!).

Seriously dude, get a tune-up. Pronto!

Posted by: Jerry at July 18, 2007 06:51 PM

I was worried about you having a stroke, but now I am worried about Eric having a stroke!

Holy Moses!

Posted by: armywifetoddlermom at July 18, 2007 08:05 PM

... never fear, AWTM.... I'm going for a check-up in the next few weeks.....

Posted by: Eric at July 19, 2007 05:40 AM


Posted by: BloodSpite at July 19, 2007 07:09 AM

if the engine seems to be running prwetty good but takes more RPMs to get the same speed it ain't your engine. If it is an automatic you have some problems..bands slipping maybe or a bad torque converter. If it is a manua tranny you probably have a bad clutchl

Posted by: GUYK at July 19, 2007 10:13 AM